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universe on the inception radio network

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brought to you by the northern Wisconsin

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which paranormal Resource Center here in

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Rhinelander Wisconsin well your host

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Kevin and Jennifer Malik hello everybody

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hello to everyone in the IR and chat

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room we look for to your questions and

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comments as always I are in chat dot-com

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is the link or the chat room so come

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join us there and welcome everyone to

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this year's season premiere of pure

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virtual universe now on our fourth year

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we're back this year with new shows and

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new guests and we're excited yes we have

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an awesome show for you all tonight in a

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couple minutes we're gonna bring out

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your father just journalist and author

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Cheryl custom but before we do we have

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some shout outs to get to shout outs go

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to those who share our show banners on

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social media every week and this year

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everyone has been exceptionally super

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gracious as Facebook and YouTube have

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that mainstream media won't touch like

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ours which has made it a bit more

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been accustomed to which is why the

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shout outs become that much more

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important because you're the ones who

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are helping us deal with this new

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adversity so thank you all so much and

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numbers right before we went on because

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of your shares we ended up with the same

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the past which proves that the people do

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have the power censorship is wrong but

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thank you all for your support you guys

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Rock who do we have

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okay so we have David Killman Walt

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Christos thoughts of Christos symbaloo

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bizarro world

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Dave blank paranormal world Lark walk

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cane Adams the foxholley ghost hunters

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Ryan Weiland Maryland borscht

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Debbie Warren

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kay Harrell Bob Segall Donna Brent Elmer

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Danson Jason bland they made em loose

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paranormal soup Howie Odell of the Orion

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effect Shaunie Michael of Oshkosh

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paranormal and Steve Foster and

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everybody in chat family and friends

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it's good to be back and it's good to

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see you guys all in chat so all righty

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our guest tonight is to follow just

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Cheryl Kosta co-author of the UFO Desk

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Reference ball let me grab her bio stuff

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I'm gonna run through this pretty long

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but we have setting up higher state

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elegance and dedication to success dicks

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ethology or journalism we end up

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discussing and remember folks ask your

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Jerell you with us yes I am thank you

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for having me Kevin and Jennifer welcome

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let's start with the the beginning of

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your career always a good place to start

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up how did you get in the field ethology

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folks and collecting data well okay I

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had my first sighting when I was about

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12 years old and that my mother pointed

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it out to me explain to me what it might

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teenagers where mom and dad are stupid

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things where mom really me got my

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attention when she explained the UFO

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might be people from another world that

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sort of thing so we both began getting

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books from the library and excuse me and

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things like this and sharing them with

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anything I happened to run across never

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newspaper and in fact I wasn't even I

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technician and we had just put the the

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the newspaper to bed that oppresses were

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next two hours and wait for them to

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finish the production that was it so I

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for CNN and there was this little

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sidebar story that said UFOs have been

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always just an urban legend and I sat

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on Google and I went out to the national

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UFO Reporting Center and I pulled up

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like the the the year-end totals for

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right up to about 2,000 and I put him in

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racket and the first inclination I had

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site I started reading different

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people's reports and I expect to see a

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explanations people sharing I saw

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something fantastic and this is what we

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saw this was not something that looked

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like anything ordinary you know I kept

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seeing these people were just basically

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trying to get it off their chest because

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nobody else would talk to them the

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police department didn't want to hear

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about it the the local news desk at the

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newspaper didn't want to hear about it

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and and so they were just trying to

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unload what they had seen and they had

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seen something amazing in most cases

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thing and but for the most part most

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punching them up my degree is in

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entertainment writing so I'm not bound

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by the same journalistic rules I

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couldn't tell you who they were because

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these things were anonymous I can't tell

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you why and if I could I'd be getting

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nobel prize why these UFOs are here but

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I can't tell you what when and where so

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there was no name associated suddenly it

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was Bob and Susie or Kevin and Jennifer

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you know saw this thing you know they

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were walking their dog you know and and

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that's how I got into it and I went

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around I pitched about 12 or 15 editors

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escorted out by security I had one

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editor look at me and say and what brand

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of tinfoil do you wear you know and it

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was very very demoralizing finally of I

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production work for and he wouldn't even

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he said let's talk he poured me some tea

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of the same stuff I had we had a very

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deep very same conversation so he said

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was just really starting to you know get

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okay I'll try you out for a month w

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about four or five episodes of year of

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this proposed column he says in a month

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if I don't like it we'll pull it that

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would be it it's okay fine that's fair

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you know about a month later he calls me

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column and going oh I'm thinking about

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that's it you know so I get over there I

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he looks at he looks at me and he says

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the columnist combined so obviously we

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had something we had out we had

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lightning in a bottle there and we

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very successful it's over 230 240 weekly

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my wife made the comment to me she was

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afraid that I would maybe get 20

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articles in and and not have enough to

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I want to point out we don't have your

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but we do have or yeah we do have a

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light page or you have a like page on

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UFO Desk Reference which we enjoy and

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and so we've been able to check out a

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lot of the stuff that you post and

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statistics and articles that you've

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written because you'll find both of them

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there haha my first question is out of

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which one is which one surprised you the

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most and why what surprised me the most

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well out of all the different statistics

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that you've collected or that are the

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different polls that you do I no no no I

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statistics I took both the national UFO

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and states and that was the first time

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anybody had ever done that before and we

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municipalities in that County and tell

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you what what what how many UFO

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was a piece of I'm gonna call it you

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marveling at my own work but we did

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something nobody else had done before

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most everybody in fact one of the things

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used to bother me an awful lot about UFO

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ology you go to a convention and it

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seemed like all the speakers were

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talking about crash here crash there it

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was like a golden oldies radio station

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the best UFO crashes from the 50s 60s

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and 70s right and and nobody was talking

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about numbers and I did a presentation

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about four years ago at the

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International UFO Congress in fact I'm

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speaking there in about two weeks about

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the current book the

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most sightings desk reference and but

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back in 2014 I was the only presenter I

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was talking about New York State in the

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UFO sightings in New York State and I

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was the only person hit charts and

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graphs and numbers and that surprised a

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bunch of people and I had a professor

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from Sonoma University in California

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come up and use an astronomy professor

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Gordon spear and dr. Gordon spear and he

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asked me if I could drill down and get

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information at a different level and we

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got talking about it and he wanted

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counting information and I said that's a

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tall order so we went into this thing we

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figured out how to do this now hi it's

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Jamie progresses employee of the month

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two months in a row

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leave a message at the hi Jamie hits me

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Jamie I just had a new idea for our song

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with the name your price tool so when

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it's like tell us what you want to pay

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hey hey hey the trombone goes blah blah

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blah and you say we'll help you find

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coverage options to fit your budget then

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we just all do finger snaps well aquire

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goes Stephens coming at cha savings

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coming out Jeff yes no maybe

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anyway see your practice tonight I got

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new lyrics with a rad break progressive

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casualty insurance company and

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affiliates pricing coverage imagine

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limited by state law it came from a 32

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year career with Lockheed Martin and my

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spouse was also when I'm gonna call

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Beltway being that we were both defense

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contractors so to speak and so we're

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used to writing process for everything

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we learn how to do and when we wrote the

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book we had done New York State and it

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took us three four months to do New York

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State well with the processes that we

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developed I can crunch a state like New

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York State in about a day now but back

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when we did the first time we wouldn't

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we didn't know what we were doing you

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know so if there was a statistic of all

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the statistics we have all the state

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size 14 statistics over 3,000 counties

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in the United States and we had the UFO

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stats for all of them

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okay I think the most interesting

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statistic for me was what day of the

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week

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people see UFOs statistically it's flat

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all we are not seeing dead flat but it's

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statistically flat all week at a

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quiescent level of sightings and those

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sightings are by people who walk dogs

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are out having a smoker out having a

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smoke while walking the dog okay

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those are those are the people who are

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out there day in day out all year long

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rain or shine but as you get towards the

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weekend people start other people start

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having leisure time okay so it starts to

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pick up a little bit on Friday and then

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Saturday night seems to tick up

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something on the order of seven to nine

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percent depending upon where you are and

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then Sunday is about the same as Friday

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ticks back down again but basically we

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discovered and this is the stat that

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impressed us in in the United States UFO

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sighting reports seem to be driven by

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temperate weather and leisure time you

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know and once you establish that when

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you point it out it does make sense

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right I mean because it does well yeah

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it does but it wasn't intuitive to begin

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with right right okay the other goofy

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thing and I didn't discover this mic my

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wife Linda discovered this I had already

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crunched almost I crunched all the

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states and counties and all this stuff I

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had all the charts and I had given them

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to her she had him over in a different

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computer and she was laying this book

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out now please understand I don't know

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if you've seen the book online the

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picture of the book it's got a plain

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white cover with just some black and

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white writing and a hand sketch of UFO

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if you get into it it's got all the

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charm of a bank ledger it's it's it's

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charts graphs and numbers and there have

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been some people who complained about

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it's just charts graphs and numbers but

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in those numbers of the secrets of the

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universe now we've got about four

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chapters of narrative where I did a

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certain level of analysis of what things

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we saw now I was writing one of those

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chapters of analysis

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when Linda was laying out the book she

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used to work for the National Academy of

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Science so she knew how to lay a book

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out and make it look like a government

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report it's just a little subversive

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thing we were doing here you know and

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she looked over her terminal now you

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gotta appreciate this

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the New York Times noticed this the guy

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who came to interview us for the New

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York Times back in in early April he

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said where did you actually write this

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book now we did the interview we had a

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library in the front of our house

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okay thousand books on the on the walls

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and he says where did you write the book

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and I took him upstairs to our sewing

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room which was a room that would have

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been the master bedroom but we decided

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that put cutting tables in there and

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make a big sewing room okay we both

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solved and our computers were in there

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as well and he made a comment in the

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article that strewn among all this

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sewing paraphernalia are the computers

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that compose this book and what was fun

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about it was the day after the New York

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Times article was posted online

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Vogue magazine vogue.com posted a UFO

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article and quoted a majority the

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article especially the parts about our

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sewing room so okay I think I've lost

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track of what the original question was

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but the but the bottom line was when we

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put the book together the other amazing

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statistic that we discovered when we had

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done New York State I did a little a

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little chart for every state it was

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plotted UFO sightings not by year but by

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month okay

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what months of the year have the

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sightings and a couple of the

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ufo-ologists here in new york state you

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know I'm talking like retired MUFON

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state directors things like that thought

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of it's a stupid chart okay and they

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questioned why I was gonna put it in the

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book because you looked at it and you

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saw that there was a small amount of

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sightings January February March of

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Wisconsin's like the

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January February March April and May and

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June it starts to take up ever so

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slightly and then July and August are

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through the rough peak right up and then

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it starts to trail off again in

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September October November and back down

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to that quiescent level like January was

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with this November in December

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okay and the crystal logical answer

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everybody gave me was well Cheryl it's

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pretty pretty straight forward it's

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summertime in July and August that's why

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everybody can see UFOs because it's nice

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weather and we sassoon that every state

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had a pattern like that we were wrong we

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were wrong Linda looked over the

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computer one Saturday afternoon and said

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hey if you notice that that peak in the

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middle change the the monthly chart

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changes depending upon the latitude and

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I said what you know and we went looked

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at it we realized that the northern

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states in a state like Wisconsin it

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Peaks and then in the June July August

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September timeframe but if you move down

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to a mid-atlantic states from about

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Maryland and Virginia straight across

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the country that peak starts flattening

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out you go down to the deep south States

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and it's statistically flat because it's

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warmer there it turns out it's warmer

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there all the time so you've got that

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temperate weather all the time you know

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and that's surprised the hell out that

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would that was a discovery my wife Linda

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made you know that that this stuff

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changes with the latitude that's

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interesting there really is so I have um

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one of the surveys frenum and I I just

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want to read it because it's really

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interesting and there's there's a couple

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things in here that stood out to me too

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um because it I felt like I think some

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of the stuff that were fed in the

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mainstream media isn't always accurate

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right big surprise but um well please

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understand there's not necessarily a

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conspiracy by the mainstream press to

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to report the wrong stuff is is that the

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problem is is that your day-to-day

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reporter doesn't have a clue about this

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subject matter well fair enough okay

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because that that's that's literally

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what I ran up against is I was watching

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after the December 16th New York Times

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article about the Pentagon and all that

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kind of stuff and I was watching morning

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shows like Good Morning America and that

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they show and these people who are used

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to making fun of us about this topic

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matter we're stumbling all over

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themselves trying to wrap their head

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around the idea that there might be

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aliens and then these UFOs might be real

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and the tinfoil hat crowd may be onto

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something and it's one guy but it may be

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tin foils the new black you know what

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survey are you talking about okay I'm

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talking about extraterrestrial presence

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opinions oh that one yeah okay yeah okay

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it was a poll that was a little poll I

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did I thought it was really cool um so

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there's one two three four or five six

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options on and I'm gonna read them for

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everybody

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extraterrestrials have been visiting the

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earth for millennia a forty eight

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percent of the people believe that the

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second one was there are offworld beings

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but they haven't visited earth and 26

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percent believe that the third one was

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extraterrestrials are here and live

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among us fifteen percent believed that

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the next one was there are ancient

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aliens but they no longer visit earth

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and that's six percent extraterrestrials

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are nothing but demons trying to

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influence us and that was almost three

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percent and then the last one was there

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are no offworld beings anywhere which

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was only one consent and the two things

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that were one thing I struck out to me

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was that last one because

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that would suggest on where you fought

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as far as ufology is concerned yeah if

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there are if there is no offworld beings

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anywhere whether it's extraterrestrial

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interdimensional energy Azrael whatever

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that it would have to mill it craft of

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some kind us doing and I would think

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that um more people would have that

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opinion but according to your survey

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that wasn't true and the other thing

544
00:25:52,430 --> 00:25:50,310
that stuck out was the extraterrestrials

545
00:25:54,860 --> 00:25:52,440
are nothing but demons trying to

546
00:25:57,680 --> 00:25:54,870
influence us that was only three percent

547
00:25:59,300 --> 00:25:57,690
and my thought was um I thought that

548
00:26:02,390 --> 00:25:59,310
would have been a little bit higher just

549
00:26:04,250 --> 00:26:02,400
because of so many people belong to

550
00:26:09,050 --> 00:26:04,260
organized religion and stuff and and

551
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:09,060
that's that the status quo for many you

552
00:26:17,120 --> 00:26:12,530
know religions that that's the case so I

553
00:26:22,550 --> 00:26:17,130
just I don't know um but I didn't notice

554
00:26:25,340 --> 00:26:22,560
that and I just lost my spot well here

555
00:26:27,500 --> 00:26:25,350
let me ask you on with that did any of

556
00:26:30,650 --> 00:26:27,510
that surprise you at all I mean what are

557
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:30,660
your thoughts what was your your thought

558
00:26:37,250 --> 00:26:35,250
well well that first item that they've

559
00:26:39,590 --> 00:26:37,260
been here and even visiting us for a

560
00:26:41,540 --> 00:26:39,600
long time that that's that shows you a

561
00:26:44,870 --> 00:26:41,550
lot of people believe in the ancient

562
00:26:46,940 --> 00:26:44,880
astronauts theory you know maybe not

563
00:26:49,670 --> 00:26:46,950
every single thing like ancient aliens

564
00:26:51,830 --> 00:26:49,680
program puts out I mean there there's a

565
00:26:54,950 --> 00:26:51,840
lot of baloney in there on some of their

566
00:26:58,100 --> 00:26:54,960
episodes but their basic premise for

567
00:27:01,450 --> 00:26:58,110
their first three seasons was pretty

568
00:27:05,030 --> 00:27:01,460
solid and a lot of people I've talked to

569
00:27:06,980 --> 00:27:05,040
feel that way now just before I started

570
00:27:08,900 --> 00:27:06,990
writing my column I wasn't sure whether

571
00:27:11,360 --> 00:27:08,910
or not there would be any reception to

572
00:27:13,820 --> 00:27:11,370
it and I went to a particular truck stop

573
00:27:16,910 --> 00:27:13,830
diner that I used to like to eat it and

574
00:27:18,950 --> 00:27:16,920
I said at the bar ordered up my

575
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:18,960
breakfast and there were people on both

576
00:27:24,230 --> 00:27:22,410
sides of me and I spoke out very loud

577
00:27:28,490 --> 00:27:24,240
and said hey I'm getting ready to write

578
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:28,500
a column about UFOs is anybody here ever

579
00:27:32,780 --> 00:27:29,970
seen one

580
00:27:34,550 --> 00:27:32,790
and a couple of people you know I heard

581
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:34,560
some grumbling up and down the thing and

582
00:27:39,470 --> 00:27:37,170
then suddenly somebody said yeah I have

583
00:27:41,930 --> 00:27:39,480
and a guy got up walked down and talked

584
00:27:44,570 --> 00:27:41,940
to me then another person came down and

585
00:27:46,430 --> 00:27:44,580
talked to me and I must have had 10

586
00:27:47,630 --> 00:27:46,440
people talk to me over the period of the

587
00:27:49,970 --> 00:27:47,640
next half hour

588
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:49,980
he says they knew somebody or they were

589
00:27:55,250 --> 00:27:52,730
somebody that had seen something amazing

590
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:55,260
now something I discovered during the

591
00:28:00,020 --> 00:27:57,210
course of writing my column over the

592
00:28:02,150 --> 00:28:00,030
last five years is because we've had a

593
00:28:05,780 --> 00:28:02,160
for seventy years the sort of attitude

594
00:28:09,860 --> 00:28:05,790
of denial and ridicule for people who

595
00:28:13,790 --> 00:28:09,870
see and report these things a lot of

596
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:13,800
people didn't and that these numbers I

597
00:28:17,630 --> 00:28:15,450
have my book based on the hundred and

598
00:28:20,300 --> 00:28:17,640
twenty one thousand sightings for a

599
00:28:23,170 --> 00:28:20,310
fifteen year period 21st century fifteen

600
00:28:26,540 --> 00:28:23,180
year period 2001 to 2015

601
00:28:29,030 --> 00:28:26,550
well we estimate only one and about 40

602
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:29,040
people reports what they see those

603
00:28:36,530 --> 00:28:31,290
numbers are significantly higher I bet

604
00:28:38,150 --> 00:28:36,540
you okay and and what something I

605
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:38,160
discovered is during the course of

606
00:28:41,870 --> 00:28:40,290
writing my column every now and then

607
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:41,880
someone wouldn't invite me over to a

608
00:28:45,710 --> 00:28:43,770
backyard barbecue of course I always had

609
00:28:47,750 --> 00:28:45,720
a security guy come over with me make

610
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:47,760
sure it wasn't you know a nefarious

611
00:28:52,460 --> 00:28:50,610
thing right and after we get over there

612
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:52,470
and found that it really is a backyard

613
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:54,450
barbecue and a family reunion somebody

614
00:28:58,220 --> 00:28:56,130
would put a beer in my hand and a burger

615
00:29:00,320 --> 00:28:58,230
and and say hey we want to introduce you

616
00:29:02,630 --> 00:29:00,330
to our uncle Ralph uh who saw this or

617
00:29:05,330 --> 00:29:02,640
aren't Susie who saw this or my mother

618
00:29:06,770 --> 00:29:05,340
over here and you know she was there

619
00:29:09,290 --> 00:29:06,780
when my grandmother gave a deathbed

620
00:29:12,740 --> 00:29:09,300
confession and what we discovered were

621
00:29:15,170 --> 00:29:12,750
families are handing their UFO stories

622
00:29:19,580 --> 00:29:15,180
down within the families like family

623
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:19,590
heirlooms that's cool in order there's

624
00:29:26,660 --> 00:29:21,570
been an oral tradition of sharing these

625
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:26,670
stories you know I noticed to it and I

626
00:29:31,730 --> 00:29:29,610
saw another pie graph that you had done

627
00:29:34,370 --> 00:29:31,740
and according to that three-quarters of

628
00:29:36,860 --> 00:29:34,380
the people of didn't need confirmation

629
00:29:42,690 --> 00:29:36,870
from anybody whether it's government

630
00:29:50,070 --> 00:29:46,409
other beings from wherever else existed

631
00:29:52,409 --> 00:29:50,080
and that's just you know that's uh was

632
00:29:54,749 --> 00:29:52,419
that was that 75 person yeah it was it

633
00:29:57,450 --> 00:29:54,759
was quite high it was what I thought

634
00:29:59,279 --> 00:29:57,460
well the numbers are the numbers from

635
00:30:03,269 --> 00:29:59,289
that particular poll that was done by

636
00:30:05,909 --> 00:30:03,279
National Geographic in 2012 36 percent

637
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:05,919
clearly believed in the subject matter

638
00:30:13,619 --> 00:30:07,450
okay

639
00:30:16,499 --> 00:30:13,629
forty to forty four percent something

640
00:30:18,389 --> 00:30:16,509
like that we're on the fence and they

641
00:30:20,879 --> 00:30:18,399
were the people who really really got

642
00:30:22,409 --> 00:30:20,889
excited when that December 16th article

643
00:30:24,330 --> 00:30:22,419
in The New York Times the starlight

644
00:30:29,909 --> 00:30:24,340
lounge presents an evening with the

645
00:30:32,099 --> 00:30:29,919
progressive box I took a bit of a risk

646
00:30:34,109 --> 00:30:32,109
singing that song but of course the one

647
00:30:36,570 --> 00:30:34,119
place I never take chances is the road

648
00:30:39,029 --> 00:30:36,580
where progressive snapshot rewards your

649
00:30:41,430 --> 00:30:39,039
safe driving a good driver plus snapshot

650
00:30:45,629 --> 00:30:41,440
equals big discounts and speaking of

651
00:30:48,180 --> 00:30:45,639
math one plus one equals two little too

652
00:30:49,739 --> 00:30:48,190
late progressive casualty insurance

653
00:30:51,060 --> 00:30:49,749
company affiliate snapshot not available

654
00:30:53,820 --> 00:30:51,070
in California North Carolina or from all

655
00:30:56,639 --> 00:30:53,830
agents came out right okay because it

656
00:30:59,849 --> 00:30:56,649
was sort of confirmation for them okay

657
00:31:01,799 --> 00:30:59,859
and then there's like 17% ain't no way

658
00:31:07,830 --> 00:31:01,809
that there's no such thing da da da da

659
00:31:12,060 --> 00:31:07,840
okay but that same survey said 77 is

660
00:31:14,389 --> 00:31:12,070
seventy percent felt that that's at 36

661
00:31:17,129 --> 00:31:14,399
percent forty percent seventy percent

662
00:31:20,099 --> 00:31:17,139
felt that the government was not being

663
00:31:22,109 --> 00:31:20,109
square with us about about what they

664
00:31:24,749 --> 00:31:22,119
know now that's a pretty big demographic

665
00:31:31,950 --> 00:31:24,759
when you think or figure our population

666
00:31:37,019 --> 00:31:31,960
is a 325 million and you take that 320

667
00:31:39,239 --> 00:31:37,029
million times 0.75 and that's two

668
00:31:41,039 --> 00:31:39,249
hundred and forty million people in the

669
00:31:43,349 --> 00:31:41,049
United States think the government's not

670
00:31:45,749 --> 00:31:43,359
being square with them about all right

671
00:31:47,879 --> 00:31:45,759
everybody with that it is time for our

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00:31:50,279 --> 00:31:47,889
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00:32:05,169 --> 00:32:01,790
Kevin and Jennifer Malick and we are

677
00:32:08,530 --> 00:32:05,179
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00:32:10,060 --> 00:32:08,540
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00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:10,070
her back on we'd like to take a minute

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show an opportunity here to be with you

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group pages worth noting Lake

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which is a largest group page and

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self-explanatory if you have any

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questions for our guests go to iearn

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chat calm um go to our live iron random

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00:33:24,430 --> 00:33:21,590
chat room where you can post questions

707
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:24,440
and make comments and Jennifer will pass

708
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:27,530
those along and you said there were some

709
00:33:32,110 --> 00:33:29,210
questions yes we actually got one

710
00:33:35,860 --> 00:33:32,120
submitted to us earlier during the show

711
00:33:39,370 --> 00:33:35,870
with I'm sorry this was this was for you

712
00:33:42,100 --> 00:33:39,380
for during the show with everyone having

713
00:33:46,419 --> 00:33:42,110
decent or semi decent cell phones was

714
00:33:53,470 --> 00:33:46,429
video capability have good UFO reports

715
00:33:58,120 --> 00:33:53,480
gone up or down i I don't see I don't

716
00:34:01,750 --> 00:33:58,130
see the UFO sightings being affected

717
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:01,760
very much by the cell phones people see

718
00:34:06,340 --> 00:34:05,090
it and sometimes they attempt to shoot a

719
00:34:08,260 --> 00:34:06,350
picture of it but

720
00:34:10,750 --> 00:34:08,270
it's not like these cellphones have

721
00:34:12,490 --> 00:34:10,760
telephoto lens or anything so half I get

722
00:34:15,609 --> 00:34:12,500
pictures sent to me all the time and

723
00:34:17,919 --> 00:34:15,619
there's this either a dark sky or a

724
00:34:21,309 --> 00:34:17,929
twilight sky and there's this bright dot

725
00:34:23,169 --> 00:34:21,319
and that's all I see you know so it well

726
00:34:24,669 --> 00:34:23,179
I hear people say well we've got

727
00:34:26,379 --> 00:34:24,679
millions of cell phones out there why

728
00:34:28,419 --> 00:34:26,389
don't we have a really good picture well

729
00:34:30,159 --> 00:34:28,429
I wish there was a really good picture

730
00:34:31,930 --> 00:34:30,169
but most of the time these things are in

731
00:34:34,300 --> 00:34:31,940
the distance and cellphones don't have a

732
00:34:36,990 --> 00:34:34,310
telephoto lens to get you a really good

733
00:34:42,940 --> 00:34:39,899
another question we had from another

734
00:34:45,369 --> 00:34:42,950
chat room guest was the stats that you

735
00:34:47,470 --> 00:34:45,379
do are they from around the world or

736
00:34:50,050 --> 00:34:47,480
just the US

737
00:34:52,419 --> 00:34:50,060
I used the MUFON and national UFO

738
00:34:55,750 --> 00:34:52,429
Reporting Center so it's principally the

739
00:34:59,800 --> 00:34:55,760
UF the United States and in fact the

740
00:35:02,099 --> 00:34:59,810
book is is called the UFO sightings Desk

741
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:02,109
Reference the United States of America

742
00:35:08,740 --> 00:35:06,530
2001 to 2015 we thought about compiling

743
00:35:11,470 --> 00:35:08,750
they can't Canadian numbers along with

744
00:35:14,559 --> 00:35:11,480
it but we the book is already three

745
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:14,569
hundred and some-odd 70 or 80 pages it

746
00:35:19,300 --> 00:35:16,130
was already too big it's a two and a

747
00:35:23,050 --> 00:35:19,310
half pound book there isn't a really

748
00:35:24,609 --> 00:35:23,060
good international database I've got

749
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:24,619
some friends in Europe that are trying

750
00:35:29,290 --> 00:35:27,290
to find the in databases within the

751
00:35:31,839 --> 00:35:29,300
individual countries and in the European

752
00:35:32,980 --> 00:35:31,849
Union but it's been really hard to

753
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:32,990
gather that data

754
00:35:42,069 --> 00:35:38,450
I bet especially in some of those

755
00:35:48,309 --> 00:35:42,079
countries one more question

756
00:35:51,460 --> 00:35:48,319
sure know if to the public to see or is

757
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:51,470
it only in the book it's only in the

758
00:35:59,170 --> 00:35:54,770
book the I've had people ask me why I

759
00:36:01,300 --> 00:35:59,180
haven't published the data online the

760
00:36:04,180 --> 00:36:01,310
attitude of this is an attitude this

761
00:36:09,700 --> 00:36:04,190
took me almost a year and a half the

762
00:36:12,210 --> 00:36:09,710
process and that's my work ok and you

763
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:12,220
don't give away your work you know and

764
00:36:17,140 --> 00:36:15,530
so one thing we're thinking about doing

765
00:36:19,750 --> 00:36:17,150
though is we aren't thinking about

766
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:19,760
publishing a

767
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:21,410
we didn't publish the main book as a

768
00:36:24,940 --> 00:36:23,210
Kindle book and a lot of people were

769
00:36:28,060 --> 00:36:24,950
upset about though it was strictly a

770
00:36:31,030 --> 00:36:28,070
paper book it's a reference book it was

771
00:36:36,070 --> 00:36:31,040
my my spouse is a career librarysearch

772
00:36:37,540 --> 00:36:36,080
real life research librarian she wanted

773
00:36:40,090 --> 00:36:37,550
to see this book in the reference

774
00:36:42,820 --> 00:36:40,100
section of every library in the country

775
00:36:45,100 --> 00:36:42,830
is what she would like to see okay right

776
00:36:48,580 --> 00:36:45,110
there along with the census reports all

777
00:36:51,370 --> 00:36:48,590
that stuff and this is intended to be

778
00:36:53,530 --> 00:36:51,380
for researchers now people did complain

779
00:36:58,600 --> 00:36:53,540
to us oh why didn't you put it on Kindle

780
00:37:02,200 --> 00:36:58,610
well the charts and graphs did not lend

781
00:37:04,510 --> 00:37:02,210
themselves to Kindle we have one copy in

782
00:37:08,260 --> 00:37:04,520
a Kindle format and I'm like it's on my

783
00:37:11,620 --> 00:37:08,270
sound of my Kindle and it it's terrible

784
00:37:14,650 --> 00:37:11,630
looks terrible and so we didn't hope we

785
00:37:17,410 --> 00:37:14,660
didn't publish in Kindle now we have a

786
00:37:19,330 --> 00:37:17,420
book that we want to put out called the

787
00:37:21,610 --> 00:37:19,340
cities directory you notice how I was

788
00:37:26,110 --> 00:37:21,620
able to go state county and write down

789
00:37:28,690 --> 00:37:26,120
to the city we were thinking about

790
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:28,700
publishing a cities directory and making

791
00:37:33,100 --> 00:37:30,890
that available both in hard form and in

792
00:37:35,140 --> 00:37:33,110
Kindle form but right now we're still

793
00:37:36,910 --> 00:37:35,150
cleaning up the database there just

794
00:37:39,670 --> 00:37:36,920
aren't enough hours in the day because

795
00:37:41,950 --> 00:37:39,680
the hundred and twenty thousand one

796
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:41,960
hundred twenty one thousand sightings

797
00:37:47,860 --> 00:37:45,050
that are in that data I had to touch

798
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:47,870
literally every one of them and we're

799
00:37:53,170 --> 00:37:50,330
not done yet we're only about two-thirds

800
00:37:56,620 --> 00:37:53,180
through and correct the spellings of

801
00:37:59,260 --> 00:37:56,630
cities and things like this so that's

802
00:38:01,650 --> 00:37:59,270
been a problem the the data is dirty

803
00:38:04,030 --> 00:38:01,660
people who fill out these UFO reports

804
00:38:07,450 --> 00:38:04,040
frequently do not fill out the name of

805
00:38:10,180 --> 00:38:07,460
the city properly okay give me an

806
00:38:13,210 --> 00:38:10,190
example in our book we said there was

807
00:38:15,070 --> 00:38:13,220
like only 2019 sightings in Maricopa

808
00:38:18,430 --> 00:38:15,080
County which is essentially Phoenix

809
00:38:20,590 --> 00:38:18,440
Arizona okay when we got it cleaned up

810
00:38:22,540 --> 00:38:20,600
later after the book was out and I was

811
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:22,550
working with the database towards this

812
00:38:28,410 --> 00:38:25,130
goal of making a cities directory we

813
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:28,420
found five hundred sightings in Arizona

814
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:32,690
where they spelled pheonix wrong

815
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:38,450
oh wow instead of oh the pho exin you

816
00:38:47,079 --> 00:38:41,450
know our ni x they spelled it with the

817
00:38:49,059 --> 00:38:47,089
pho instead of o e right so when this

818
00:38:52,420 --> 00:38:49,069
I've been telling people on these radio

819
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:52,430
interviews when we eventually do get a

820
00:38:57,670 --> 00:38:55,450
book out that's got the city's directory

821
00:39:00,339 --> 00:38:57,680
there's going to be a difference with

822
00:39:01,450 --> 00:39:00,349
the with the Maricopa County and and

823
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:01,460
there's gonna be a difference in some

824
00:39:05,319 --> 00:39:03,530
other states we've already caught some

825
00:39:09,010 --> 00:39:05,329
errors like this with some other states

826
00:39:10,630 --> 00:39:09,020
but you can't run a spellcheck against

827
00:39:17,410 --> 00:39:10,640
the database because it will correct all

828
00:39:22,089 --> 00:39:17,420
the wrong things right so and you had

829
00:39:25,779 --> 00:39:22,099
mentioned Phoenix uh-huh one of the

830
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:25,789
things I was looking at was the top five

831
00:39:34,359 --> 00:39:29,210
cities in America for for you a host

832
00:39:36,910 --> 00:39:34,369
right and I wanted to read the define

833
00:39:39,490 --> 00:39:36,920
and get your impression on each one and

834
00:39:41,620 --> 00:39:39,500
the first one was Phoenix Phoenix is

835
00:39:44,410 --> 00:39:41,630
supposed to be the number one city with

836
00:39:51,819 --> 00:39:44,420
UFO sightings why do you think that is

837
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:51,829
why Phoenix and I know these are tough I

838
00:39:57,059 --> 00:39:54,170
mean these are guesstimate sometimes but

839
00:40:01,690 --> 00:39:57,069
well so icky okay what there's okay

840
00:40:03,549 --> 00:40:01,700
let's look at it two ways here when the

841
00:40:05,319 --> 00:40:03,559
book was first coming out when I was

842
00:40:11,859 --> 00:40:05,329
starting to get some press back last

843
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:11,869
April April 2017 one of the initial

844
00:40:18,130 --> 00:40:15,770
responses we had was California had are

845
00:40:20,410 --> 00:40:18,140
the most sightings of any state fifteen

846
00:40:27,370 --> 00:40:20,420
thousand eight hundred thirty six okay

847
00:40:30,250 --> 00:40:27,380
and Los Angeles County he had 3212

848
00:40:33,690 --> 00:40:30,260
sightings in that period it was more

849
00:40:35,309 --> 00:40:33,700
than 40 individual states by themselves

850
00:40:38,799 --> 00:40:35,319
okay

851
00:40:42,660 --> 00:40:38,809
Maricopa County Arizona came in second

852
00:40:46,130 --> 00:40:42,670
with that mm and now we know to be about

853
00:40:51,049 --> 00:40:46,140
2500 number okay now there's two issues

854
00:40:54,259 --> 00:40:51,059
here in Los Angeles County and I'm not

855
00:40:57,650 --> 00:40:54,269
talking to city now there's a difference

856
00:40:59,539 --> 00:40:57,660
here this the city of Los Angeles is not

857
00:41:03,230 --> 00:40:59,549
that high in the list it's down like

858
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:03,240
number 25 or something like that but

859
00:41:07,789 --> 00:41:05,130
okay let's talk talk about the counties

860
00:41:11,420 --> 00:41:07,799
here for him on Los Angeles County has

861
00:41:14,990 --> 00:41:11,430
had UFO sightings since before we had

862
00:41:17,450 --> 00:41:15,000
manned flight they had them in the 1880s

863
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:17,460
flying up and down the valleys out there

864
00:41:22,759 --> 00:41:19,170
in the mountains okay

865
00:41:26,079 --> 00:41:22,769
of course they had the huge battle of LA

866
00:41:30,559 --> 00:41:26,089
in February of 1942

867
00:41:32,990 --> 00:41:30,569
okay now that instilled sort of a

868
00:41:35,240 --> 00:41:33,000
cultural thing that something fantastic

869
00:41:38,509 --> 00:41:35,250
happened it got passed down a family

870
00:41:42,230 --> 00:41:38,519
lore in LA think about that a minute for

871
00:41:45,890 --> 00:41:42,240
the last 70 years okay and I think

872
00:41:51,529 --> 00:41:45,900
there's a cult there's a cultural and in

873
00:41:53,630 --> 00:41:51,539
his predatory directive Wow

874
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:53,640
something happened my grandfather saw it

875
00:41:59,480 --> 00:41:55,410
and people looking up because maybe

876
00:42:01,970 --> 00:41:59,490
we'll see something again okay now let's

877
00:42:05,349 --> 00:42:01,980
go to Phoenix Phoenix Maricopa County

878
00:42:09,289 --> 00:42:05,359
they had the Phoenix lights back in 1997

879
00:42:11,509 --> 00:42:09,299
okay again three-quarters of the

880
00:42:13,490 --> 00:42:11,519
population of that city saw that thing

881
00:42:16,670 --> 00:42:13,500
that was two football fields long and

882
00:42:19,099 --> 00:42:16,680
blotted out the Stars okay so that gets

883
00:42:21,349 --> 00:42:19,109
handed down in this family tradition of

884
00:42:23,420 --> 00:42:21,359
stories and people talking about it you

885
00:42:26,150 --> 00:42:23,430
know yeah my mother saw my uncle saw it

886
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:26,160
you know and and it gets handed down and

887
00:42:30,980 --> 00:42:27,930
people have a tendency to look up

888
00:42:34,339 --> 00:42:30,990
because maybe we'll see it again and I

889
00:42:35,990 --> 00:42:34,349
think that has a lot to do with and

890
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:36,000
there's a lot of stuff up there if you

891
00:42:39,829 --> 00:42:38,130
if you look up in the sky and you spin

892
00:42:41,599 --> 00:42:39,839
you're quiet and you're not playing with

893
00:42:44,049 --> 00:42:41,609
your phone there's plenty of stuff to

894
00:42:47,799 --> 00:42:44,059
see and plenty of stuff to misidentify

895
00:42:51,529 --> 00:42:47,809
but there's plenty of stuff to see I

896
00:42:53,690 --> 00:42:51,539
like that answer and I think you're

897
00:42:55,999 --> 00:42:53,700
right - oh my god it's so bright and

898
00:42:58,130 --> 00:42:56,009
that is actually true the people spent

899
00:42:59,930 --> 00:42:58,140
less time looking at their devices and

900
00:43:02,330 --> 00:42:59,940
more time sky watching them

901
00:43:05,150 --> 00:43:02,340
probably see things they have questions

902
00:43:09,980 --> 00:43:05,160
about or wouldn't normally see let me

903
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:09,990
tell you a quick little story I do I do

904
00:43:13,790 --> 00:43:11,970
a thing called live-action roleplay

905
00:43:15,860 --> 00:43:13,800
sort of like re-enacting medieval

906
00:43:18,620 --> 00:43:15,870
runaround rubber swords chased monsters

907
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:18,630
in the woods that everything yeah okay

908
00:43:23,930 --> 00:43:22,050
well I'm a larper and a particular LARP

909
00:43:25,490 --> 00:43:23,940
I was doing in northern Pennsylvania I

910
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:25,500
was on her old dairy farm that's been

911
00:43:32,570 --> 00:43:28,290
converted into a LARP facility the barn

912
00:43:35,060 --> 00:43:32,580
had been made into a into a tavern okay

913
00:43:37,730 --> 00:43:35,070
into a medieval tavern kind of thing and

914
00:43:39,410 --> 00:43:37,740
this big beautiful property we had huts

915
00:43:41,540 --> 00:43:39,420
and things all over the place and of

916
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:41,550
course the the people who ran the thing

917
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:43,170
would give us plenty of monsters and

918
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:45,170
enemies to chase with our rubber swords

919
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:48,690
well one I'm getting pretty old I'm 65

920
00:43:53,930 --> 00:43:51,570
years old and I just can't march through

921
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:53,940
the woods anymore so I one night they

922
00:43:59,450 --> 00:43:55,530
were out chasing something and I said

923
00:44:01,250 --> 00:43:59,460
I'll guard the tavern and I was sitting

924
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:01,260
up by the front door of this tavern

925
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:04,650
building and I laid my head back against

926
00:44:10,220 --> 00:44:07,410
the the wood the counter are the the

927
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:10,230
door casing and I just watched the sky

928
00:44:18,290 --> 00:44:15,450
and within ten minutes I had figured out

929
00:44:22,430 --> 00:44:18,300
the landing pattern for Scranton Airport

930
00:44:23,870 --> 00:44:22,440
which was 30 miles away Wow okay was

931
00:44:27,770 --> 00:44:23,880
very easy to figure out all you had to

932
00:44:31,550 --> 00:44:27,780
do was watch it okay after I figured out

933
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:31,560
that stuff I looked up higher and that's

934
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:33,930
when I started seeing the real activity

935
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:38,130
I counted 40 bonafide UFOs sightings

936
00:44:42,710 --> 00:44:40,170
nothing nothing I called in nothing I

937
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:42,720
wrote up okay I did write an article

938
00:44:45,890 --> 00:44:44,610
about the fact that I saw this stuff and

939
00:44:47,330 --> 00:44:45,900
I got chewed out by a lot of people

940
00:44:49,670 --> 00:44:47,340
because I didn't report the sightings

941
00:44:52,070 --> 00:44:49,680
but I just laid my head back in

942
00:44:54,470 --> 00:44:52,080
Washington I've heard people in in

943
00:44:56,780 --> 00:44:54,480
different reports say my wife and I were

944
00:44:59,060 --> 00:44:56,790
laying on the hood of our car watching

945
00:45:02,900 --> 00:44:59,070
the Stars and we saw all this amazing

946
00:45:05,390 --> 00:45:02,910
stuff yeah shut the bloody phone off

947
00:45:07,700 --> 00:45:05,400
quiet yourself stop running your mouth

948
00:45:13,190 --> 00:45:07,710
and just watch the sky there's plenty of

949
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:13,200
stuff to see yeah when we sky watch

950
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:15,450
it we don't do it and it wintertime

951
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:17,850
obviously it's cold but this number time

952
00:45:22,940 --> 00:45:19,290
we'll go out and we'll do that you know

953
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:22,950
um we'll pick a night and if the weather

954
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:25,890
permits and the stars are out we'll go

955
00:45:33,470 --> 00:45:29,970
up and lie down and the skies are so

956
00:45:35,630 --> 00:45:33,480
busy I people don't realize how much

957
00:45:39,170 --> 00:45:35,640
stuff is going on up there unless you

958
00:45:44,510 --> 00:45:39,180
just like you just set just take the

959
00:45:45,890 --> 00:45:44,520
time and and and do it and um I

960
00:45:50,300 --> 00:45:45,900
guarantee you're gonna see something

961
00:45:52,190 --> 00:45:50,310
eventually you can't explain it looks

962
00:45:54,590 --> 00:45:52,200
like we even do that just driving around

963
00:45:56,210 --> 00:45:54,600
sometimes early really in the morning or

964
00:45:57,950 --> 00:45:56,220
really late at night coming back some

965
00:45:59,360 --> 00:45:57,960
place they're going someplace we've had

966
00:46:03,140 --> 00:45:59,370
several encounters what have we actually

967
00:46:05,180 --> 00:46:03,150
seen lights and you know some of them

968
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:05,190
well as soon as they pass through a

969
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:07,650
cloud or black cloud they were gone yeah

970
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:10,170
I mean some of them are you know okay

971
00:46:14,060 --> 00:46:12,690
yeah that's a planet right look at that

972
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:14,070
for a minute oh okay no I can tell it's

973
00:46:20,210 --> 00:46:17,130
a plane you know um but yeah when so my

974
00:46:21,890 --> 00:46:20,220
only good things like what that is but

975
00:46:28,190 --> 00:46:21,900
can we talk about disclosure for a

976
00:46:31,030 --> 00:46:28,200
moment yes yes yeah okay I don't know if

977
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:31,040
you saw my article this week but I got I

978
00:46:37,490 --> 00:46:34,050
really got a tie rate and said it's

979
00:46:39,740 --> 00:46:37,500
about time to tell the truth okay and

980
00:46:43,460 --> 00:46:39,750
that was the flavor of my article how

981
00:46:44,660 --> 00:46:43,470
about the truth and I argued a case that

982
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:44,670
we you know we've been lied to for

983
00:46:48,050 --> 00:46:46,650
seventy years now here we're finding out

984
00:46:50,720 --> 00:46:48,060
that all of us who've been called

985
00:46:53,150 --> 00:46:50,730
tinfoil hat people for a long long time

986
00:46:55,010 --> 00:46:53,160
suddenly we find out the government's

987
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:55,020
been spending money for a long time we

988
00:47:00,800 --> 00:46:56,970
all kind of knew that but now it was

989
00:47:02,330 --> 00:47:00,810
confirmed okay and I made that towards

990
00:47:04,550 --> 00:47:02,340
the end of the summary of the article I

991
00:47:06,830 --> 00:47:04,560
was really surprised by editor left it

992
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:06,840
in just the way I wrote it I said you

993
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:08,970
know that the president needs to stop

994
00:47:13,310 --> 00:47:11,370
tweeting and needs to order the

995
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:13,320
Secretary of Defense to ask all those

996
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:17,090
unacknowledged intelligence units in the

997
00:47:24,950 --> 00:47:20,970
Pentagon to give up what they know okay

998
00:47:26,690 --> 00:47:24,960
business has to be done that way okay we

999
00:47:28,220 --> 00:47:26,700
need the

1000
00:47:30,290 --> 00:47:28,230
president to do the same with the

1001
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:30,300
Central Intelligence Agency for the

1002
00:47:34,970 --> 00:47:32,130
longest time in fact one of the best

1003
00:47:38,180 --> 00:47:34,980
Easter eggs we were given was just

1004
00:47:40,819 --> 00:47:38,190
before Obama left office the CIA

1005
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:40,829
Declassified like a 13 million documents

1006
00:47:45,950 --> 00:47:43,650
and in it was a lot of it was Kissinger

1007
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:45,960
cables and things like this from the 17

1008
00:47:52,790 --> 00:47:49,290
60s and 70s but there were 70 year old

1009
00:47:54,650 --> 00:47:52,800
documents by the CIA about UFOs and they

1010
00:47:57,620 --> 00:47:54,660
had scientists in the office of

1011
00:48:00,560 --> 00:47:57,630
scientific investigation pulling their

1012
00:48:02,359 --> 00:48:00,570
hair out about some of the same things

1013
00:48:05,599 --> 00:48:02,369
Linda and I were pulling our hair out to

1014
00:48:07,099 --> 00:48:05,609
yearning Africa okay and they were

1015
00:48:10,670 --> 00:48:07,109
getting paid a lot of money we were

1016
00:48:12,319 --> 00:48:10,680
getting ridiculed you know the other

1017
00:48:14,329 --> 00:48:12,329
point that I get when the other comments

1018
00:48:16,370 --> 00:48:14,339
that I got a lot of chuckles about from

1019
00:48:18,890 --> 00:48:16,380
the editorial staff was I says it's time

1020
00:48:22,099 --> 00:48:18,900
for the National Academy of Science and

1021
00:48:25,460 --> 00:48:22,109
quote get off their Laurel academic

1022
00:48:29,270 --> 00:48:25,470
butts and put some serious science into

1023
00:48:32,030 --> 00:48:29,280
researching this topic matter what great

1024
00:48:33,470 --> 00:48:32,040
I was gonna ask you I'm sorry um I

1025
00:48:38,870 --> 00:48:33,480
didn't even cut you off

1026
00:48:44,140 --> 00:48:38,880
go ahead um question was um as a late

1027
00:48:48,950 --> 00:48:44,150
last year Turkey uh now has a college

1028
00:48:54,349 --> 00:48:48,960
30,000 people academic that is genealogy

1029
00:48:59,960 --> 00:48:54,359
you can go and and get academic I think

1030
00:49:01,069 --> 00:48:59,970
it's about a degree in mythology and we

1031
00:49:03,170 --> 00:49:01,079
were talking about that on the

1032
00:49:05,720 --> 00:49:03,180
paranormal and herbs we did before and

1033
00:49:09,770 --> 00:49:05,730
her producer Mike made a really good

1034
00:49:13,579 --> 00:49:09,780
point that America really dropped the

1035
00:49:16,609 --> 00:49:13,589
ball you know on leading everybody and

1036
00:49:19,569 --> 00:49:16,619
what we could have done you know I'm

1037
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:19,579
setting examples and making some of this

1038
00:49:25,339 --> 00:49:22,410
you know pseudoscience that used to be

1039
00:49:27,470 --> 00:49:25,349
laughed at or you know not as many

1040
00:49:29,559 --> 00:49:27,480
people are laughing anymore and every

1041
00:49:32,690 --> 00:49:29,569
day more and more people realize that

1042
00:49:34,190 --> 00:49:32,700
you know there are like you know we're

1043
00:49:36,980 --> 00:49:34,200
being lied to and things are being

1044
00:49:37,790 --> 00:49:36,990
covered up and there's more out there

1045
00:49:40,549 --> 00:49:37,800
than meets the eye

1046
00:49:43,459 --> 00:49:40,559
um my I guess my class

1047
00:49:44,839 --> 00:49:43,469
was what do you think about what do you

1048
00:49:47,959 --> 00:49:44,849
think about that about the fact that

1049
00:49:49,130 --> 00:49:47,969
there is now academics in ufology or you

1050
00:49:52,539 --> 00:49:49,140
follow economics

1051
00:49:55,009 --> 00:49:52,549
okay well okay I'm happy to hear that

1052
00:49:57,469 --> 00:49:55,019
you know what's gonna come happen and

1053
00:49:59,209 --> 00:49:57,479
this is I've been very cynical after

1054
00:50:01,249 --> 00:49:59,219
disclosure a lot of people you never

1055
00:50:03,859 --> 00:50:01,259
heard of a suddenly going to be experts

1056
00:50:06,019 --> 00:50:03,869
on the topic matter right you know it

1057
00:50:07,099 --> 00:50:06,029
always happens that way all these people

1058
00:50:08,660 --> 00:50:07,109
come out of the woodwork they were

1059
00:50:11,599 --> 00:50:08,670
laughing at two years ago suddenly

1060
00:50:15,039 --> 00:50:11,609
they're an expert on it you know and you

1061
00:50:19,519 --> 00:50:15,049
see that a lot in a new-age community

1062
00:50:23,049 --> 00:50:19,529
yeah we've been lied to a lot I spent

1063
00:50:27,439 --> 00:50:23,059
seven years in a Buddhist monastery and

1064
00:50:33,499 --> 00:50:27,449
from the mid 90s through the early 2000s

1065
00:50:36,229 --> 00:50:33,509
I was an ordained Buddhist nun and our

1066
00:50:39,259 --> 00:50:36,239
lamas basically told us that people need

1067
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:39,269
to expand a reality a little bit because

1068
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:41,130
they have a very narrow view a lot of

1069
00:50:45,049 --> 00:50:42,930
people just walk around going in going

1070
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:45,059
to work going to school taking the kids

1071
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:46,650
to school whatever and they have this

1072
00:50:52,759 --> 00:50:50,249
very narrow view of what the world is

1073
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:52,769
and there's a lot more to the world and

1074
00:50:58,729 --> 00:50:55,890
the more you stretch your view on it the

1075
00:51:01,069 --> 00:50:58,739
more you see you see the discrimination

1076
00:51:03,589 --> 00:51:01,079
you see the maltreatment of women and

1077
00:51:05,870 --> 00:51:03,599
you start seeing maybe some of the

1078
00:51:09,199 --> 00:51:05,880
exotic the wider you start opening up

1079
00:51:10,549 --> 00:51:09,209
your view of reality and belief I'll

1080
00:51:11,779 --> 00:51:10,559
give you an example one of the things

1081
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:11,789
they've always argued about about

1082
00:51:17,929 --> 00:51:13,890
disclosure oh it will mess up

1083
00:51:20,689 --> 00:51:17,939
everybody's religion I'm sorry

1084
00:51:23,179 --> 00:51:20,699
most of the people I know of faith will

1085
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:23,189
say of Christian Judeo faith most the

1086
00:51:28,910 --> 00:51:25,170
serious theologians and people like that

1087
00:51:31,039 --> 00:51:28,920
that I know say hey it did use generic

1088
00:51:33,829 --> 00:51:31,049
term the great maker made a very

1089
00:51:37,279 --> 00:51:33,839
mysterious and wonderful universe out

1090
00:51:40,009 --> 00:51:37,289
there more than just us and oh by the

1091
00:51:44,929 --> 00:51:40,019
way the universe is teeming with life

1092
00:51:47,809 --> 00:51:44,939
because God's love is that big yeah I

1093
00:51:49,249 --> 00:51:47,819
agree and I also think that with all the

1094
00:51:51,919 --> 00:51:49,259
presidents we've had over the years

1095
00:51:53,989 --> 00:51:51,929
think about how many opportunities we

1096
00:51:56,449 --> 00:51:53,999
could have had to have disclosure and

1097
00:51:58,279 --> 00:51:56,459
it hasn't happened I agree with you I

1098
00:51:59,839 --> 00:51:58,289
think he needs to stop tweeting for the

1099
00:52:01,759 --> 00:51:59,849
time he needs to stop with their tweets

1100
00:52:04,969 --> 00:52:01,769
and he needs to get people disclosure

1101
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:04,979
because somebody has to and it's about

1102
00:52:09,709 --> 00:52:08,729
time that it happens because we all have

1103
00:52:11,869 --> 00:52:09,719
right to know

1104
00:52:15,079 --> 00:52:11,879
we've had so much hidden from us from

1105
00:52:17,989 --> 00:52:15,089
the government for far too long and and

1106
00:52:20,269 --> 00:52:17,999
it's time that we get in on what's going

1107
00:52:22,159 --> 00:52:20,279
on well it's a little bigger it's bigger

1108
00:52:24,769 --> 00:52:22,169
- it's not just that the fact that

1109
00:52:26,689 --> 00:52:24,779
they've been keeping us in the dark but

1110
00:52:28,879 --> 00:52:26,699
if you look at the material they talked

1111
00:52:31,159 --> 00:52:28,889
about in the initial New York Times

1112
00:52:32,929 --> 00:52:31,169
article and there's more coming I've got

1113
00:52:36,069 --> 00:52:32,939
a finger in with the New York Times and

1114
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:36,079
there's more coming okay

1115
00:52:40,579 --> 00:52:38,249
one of the points they made it was the

1116
00:52:43,129 --> 00:52:40,589
day the video there and you saw the

1117
00:52:44,989 --> 00:52:43,139
pilot most people were just you know oh

1118
00:52:48,559 --> 00:52:44,999
we are the where are they from you know

1119
00:52:50,809 --> 00:52:48,569
this is people in the media did they did

1120
00:52:52,339 --> 00:52:50,819
and I pointed out one of my articles is

1121
00:52:56,389 --> 00:52:52,349
a wait a minute did you listen to the

1122
00:52:58,729 --> 00:52:56,399
risk this soundtrack that pilot said Wow

1123
00:53:02,629 --> 00:52:58,739
it took off like that oh my god there's

1124
00:53:06,529 --> 00:53:02,639
a whole fleet of them okay

1125
00:53:09,709 --> 00:53:06,539
now I'm sorry I had two years Air Force

1126
00:53:11,989 --> 00:53:09,719
service and almost almost nine years

1127
00:53:13,999 --> 00:53:11,999
worth the Navy I've got on well let's

1128
00:53:18,079 --> 00:53:14,009
say about ten years military service all

1129
00:53:19,759 --> 00:53:18,089
together okay and that represents a

1130
00:53:21,739 --> 00:53:19,769
clear and present danger and this this

1131
00:53:27,679 --> 00:53:21,749
guy from the this guy that retired from

1132
00:53:30,349 --> 00:53:27,689
the Pentagon there of Lewis he he he's

1133
00:53:31,609 --> 00:53:30,359
saying hey there were a lot of pundits

1134
00:53:33,469 --> 00:53:31,619
out there we're not going to say oh

1135
00:53:36,109 --> 00:53:33,479
there's always somebody out there were

1136
00:53:37,759 --> 00:53:36,119
an experimental aircraft okay

1137
00:53:39,559 --> 00:53:37,769
I can accept there might be somebody out

1138
00:53:41,839 --> 00:53:39,569
there with an ax from another country

1139
00:53:45,289 --> 00:53:41,849
with an experimental aircraft but not a

1140
00:53:47,629 --> 00:53:45,299
fleet of them there's a clear and

1141
00:53:49,819 --> 00:53:47,639
present danger here and I think the

1142
00:53:52,699 --> 00:53:49,829
Defense Department needs to be square

1143
00:53:55,219 --> 00:53:52,709
with the American people and if they are

1144
00:53:58,279 --> 00:53:55,229
square with us we will follow them and

1145
00:54:02,089 --> 00:53:58,289
say do what you gotta do do your job

1146
00:54:04,009 --> 00:54:02,099
protect us but right now they're keeping

1147
00:54:05,720 --> 00:54:04,019
it a secret we don't know how much of a

1148
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:05,730
threat we're really dealing with

1149
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:07,890
and I don't and and I'm not a hundred

1150
00:54:14,980 --> 00:54:10,530
percent sure there's a threat but

1151
00:54:19,580 --> 00:54:17,570
you know if we don't know what it is we

1152
00:54:22,430 --> 00:54:19,590
don't understand it so we really if we

1153
00:54:25,700 --> 00:54:22,440
don't understand it we fear it and we

1154
00:54:31,130 --> 00:54:25,710
shouldn't be fearing this some people

1155
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:31,140
have suggested that uh that the immortal

1156
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:34,410
powers that be eventually are going to

1157
00:54:39,770 --> 00:54:37,650
let's say Hoke and Elia hoax and alien

1158
00:54:43,010 --> 00:54:39,780
invasion of some type and that

1159
00:54:44,450 --> 00:54:43,020
disclosure or you know I'm just saying

1160
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:44,460
that there there's all these different

1161
00:54:51,620 --> 00:54:47,970
ideas out there and I I see division

1162
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:51,630
even in ethology different but what

1163
00:54:59,090 --> 00:54:55,530
different people believe but regardless

1164
00:55:05,150 --> 00:54:59,100
of what point anyone takes they're out

1165
00:55:08,030 --> 00:55:05,160
there it's happening and yeah I uh you

1166
00:55:09,980 --> 00:55:08,040
know it's weird because the government

1167
00:55:15,470 --> 00:55:09,990
has spent so much money covering this up

1168
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:15,480
for so long and now we see this and you

1169
00:55:22,130 --> 00:55:17,930
know and I could see why people come to

1170
00:55:25,940 --> 00:55:22,140
different conclusions than yours or mine

1171
00:55:26,540 --> 00:55:25,950
or Jennifer's or you know whoever we're

1172
00:55:30,290 --> 00:55:26,550
running out of time

1173
00:55:32,660 --> 00:55:30,300
uh we got like two minutes left oh thank

1174
00:55:34,790 --> 00:55:32,670
you for having me on thank you for

1175
00:55:37,790 --> 00:55:34,800
coming on we enjoyed it so much

1176
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:37,800
yeah it was great having you on um um

1177
00:55:41,300 --> 00:55:38,970
what you have two minutes left do you

1178
00:55:43,340 --> 00:55:41,310
have any upcoming projects any links or

1179
00:55:46,130 --> 00:55:43,350
anything you would like to share well I

1180
00:55:49,910 --> 00:55:46,140
am speaking at the International UFO

1181
00:55:52,220 --> 00:55:49,920
Congress in Tempe Arizona in about two

1182
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:52,230
weeks like I think I'm speaking on the

1183
00:55:57,580 --> 00:55:54,930
opening day of the convention so I'm

1184
00:56:00,200 --> 00:55:57,590
gonna be giving a really good

1185
00:56:02,870 --> 00:56:00,210
shoot-from-the-hip presentation on

1186
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:02,880
national statistics and I might even

1187
00:56:08,270 --> 00:56:04,770
have some new information to share

1188
00:56:11,060 --> 00:56:08,280
that's never been shared before that's

1189
00:56:12,860 --> 00:56:11,070
awesome if anybody's in the area go and

1190
00:56:17,270 --> 00:56:12,870
check it out it sounds like something

1191
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:17,280
you definitely do not want to miss be

1192
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:19,530
sure to have me back Oh

1193
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:21,690
but we definitely will absolutely

1194
00:56:29,980 --> 00:56:25,890
enjoyed you having so much so next week

1195
00:56:34,430 --> 00:56:29,990
we have Matt Lacroix esoteric historian

1196
00:56:35,030 --> 00:56:34,440
author so join us for that and thank you

1197
00:56:39,050 --> 00:56:35,040
everybody

1198
00:56:41,210 --> 00:56:39,060
Thank You Cheryl and to the believer

1199
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:41,220
that though they have been so is

1200
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:43,650
overwhelming and to the skeptic there

1201
00:56:47,090 --> 00:56:44,850
will never be enough

1202
00:56:49,670 --> 00:56:47,100
thank you god bless you too everyone got